Advice on dancers
Where can I get more info on Venues?
For schedules of dancers, try this web site:
http://www.striplink.co.uk/
For reviews of London venues,
try this web site:
Trash
City
For general newsgroup information, try this
moderated group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/london_strip (You need to join
Yahoo Groups for this)
How can I meet a feature dancer?
Go to one of the strip clubs that offer feature
dancers, e.g. Venus’s Sunday Sport Roadshow, wait for her to come
off stage to sign autographs, pay for a Polaroid picture and start talking
quickly because there will be a line behind you. Although I have gotten lap
dances from features, usually, they are overpriced for what you get. Unless
you really, really, want to get a lap from your favourite feature, it's not
worth the extra price you have to pay.
How do we book features for our club?
Try contacting the booking agencies on my Agencies
page.
I've never dealt directly with any of these
companies so please let me know how they are if you end up using them.
How do we book features for a private party?
For safety, I would recommend using agencies for a private party,
e.g. stag nights, club night or corporate entertainment. Full
Service,
Tease, Pleasure Parties or City Entertainments should be happy to
advise on and arrange an event.
Where can I find Asian dancers?
Browns has several Asian
girls, Metropolis has a couple and I have seen one at the
Rainbow Sports Bar.
If anybody has more information, please e-mail me.
Where can I find African-American dancers?
Most clubs will have several African-American
dancers.
Where can I find hot Latin dancers?
There are several clubs with Latin dancers. For
topless, checkout Charlie Browns which has several Brazilian
dancers. For nude, checkout the Spread
Eagle and Ye Olde Axe.
If anybody has more information, please e-mail me.
How much should I pay the dancers?
Paying is not optional. If you see a girl coming around with a
pint jug, pay at least £1 per song.
If you like a particular dancer and want to get her attention, then
pay at least double what everybody else is paying. Normally £5 should get
her attention. More if you can afford it.
For private or one-on-one dances, it's good to
know how much the dancer gets to keep.
At a club where the dancer has to pay a house fee to the club, it's
nice to pay extra above the stated price per song. For example, I may tip
an extra £5 for a £20 lap dance if I thought she was very good.
If you are planning on returning to this club
and seeing the same dancer again, pay extra and she'll remember the next
time. If you are not planning on returning (from out of town), you will
want to pay her BEFORE the end of your private dance so that she knows you
are a good tipper.
Normally, dancers will only start to do some
good dancing after you get at least 2 dances. If you don't get more for
each dance, I would stop. The smart dancers will do some extras right at
the end of each song to entice you to get another one. If that's the only
time she does extras, forget it and quit there.
Basically, it's simple. The bigger the bill,
the better the thrill.
OK, but when do I tip her?
For stage dancers at a topless / nude club,
this would be when the dancer comes to you with a pint pot and asks for a
donation. I would suggest that you put
up at least a pound. .
For private and lap dances, depending on the
club, the dancer will normally ask you to pay her before the dancing
starts. This is for her protection in case you forgot to bring your wallet.
After the first dance, if she saw the money in your pocket, she may elect
to dance and get paid later. The club policy is usually to ask the customer
to pay first. However, most dancers will elect to get paid after the dance,
hoping to get extra tips. In any case, make sure that you and the dancer
agree to the price before starting your dances.
What is a ‘House Fee’?
Although this sounds like something a customer
has to give the doorman, this is actually money that the dancer has to pay
the house (the club) for the privilege of working there. This can be
anywhere from nothing to £50+ per shift in London. This fee is also called
"stage fee" at some clubs because the dancer is
"renting" the stage from the club. The house fee can also include
a portion of the lap/table dance money that the dancer has made. This can
vary from 0% to 50%.
How much do dancers make?
This can vary greatly depending on the
location, club, and physical attributes and mental attitude of the dancer.
How much the dancer actually takes home (net) from what she makes (gross)
is also affected by the house fee to the club (which varies from nothing to
£50+).
Some dancers make very little money and others
are very successful.
But keep in mind that few dancers work more
than 3 to 4 days a week, if even that. Many dancers experience dancer
burnout and cannot work for weeks at a time. They will often take very
expensive vacations to recharge their batteries. Also, there are expenses
(e.g., costumes, tanning, makeup, nails) and there is very little job
security in the industry. It's not unusual for a dancer to be fired and be
out of work for several weeks.
What is a "regular" customer?
Normally, this indicates that the customer
visits a particular club a lot. Depending on the dancer, this may be a good
thing or a bad thing. Regular customers usually enter the club without
paying and hang out for long periods of time. They will also help dancers
by bringing them food or giving them rides. However, the money making
dancers know that most regulars do not tip very much, if at all.
Most regulars feel that they do not need to tip since they are, well,
regulars. You should hopefully be able to tell what a dancer is like by how
the dancer relates to a regular.
How do I become a dancer's customer?
Being a dancer's customer (a.k.a. tipper or
regular), usually means that this customer normally only tips one
particular dancer. Depending on the dancer, this could simply be a customer
that comes in and only gets laps with one dancer or in extreme cases, a
customer that only talks to one dancer. As for how to become one, it really
is up to the customer to purposely favour just one dancer. If a customer
tips all or most of the dancers at a club, he would not be considered
anybody's tipper. Obviously, the bigger you tip, the more attention you
would get from the dancer in question. However, be very careful in this
regard because this is a sure way to start some DP (dancer politics) and
get in some big trouble.
Before you rush out to become a dancer's
regular, read the next FAQ below.
How do I stop being a dancer's regular?
This is an excellent question. I have been in
that situation several times. I've even had situations where I went to
another club to avoid the dancer and she moved to the new club and I was in
the same situation once again.
Generally speaking, there is no real graceful
way of unbecoming a dancer's tipper. At a lap club (e.g. Ye
Olde Axe),
I would transition to doing less dances with her and more and more with
others or another specific dancer. I've had times when I stopped lapping
with the dancer completely and started with a new dancer. In this case, the
"old" dancer got the message but if I ever got to the club when
my "new" dancer wasn't there yet or had left, the "old"
dancer would pounce on me. I've tried other methods like still talking to
her but not getting dances, tipping her on stage but not laps, etc.
Sometimes it works OK, other times it still costs money.
The bottom line is, there is no free lunch.
Once you become a regular, it's hard to un-do it without somebody
getting a little hurt or pissed off.
How do I get rid of a dancer permanently?
I know people that became infatuated with a
dancer, then later "dumped" by her and became despondent. Some
extreme cases have considered suicide. Personally, I don't think this has
much to do with dancers, and more to do with the customers questionable
mental state and the same situation could have happened with any female
that this person got involved with. My attitude on this is, just move on
with your life. There are plenty of other women in the ocean.
What's the etiquette when a girl wants to sit with you?
If I am interested in the girl, I will offer a
drink to let her know that I am not a clown. If I am not interested, I will
tell her that I don't mind her sitting with me and chatting but I am not
interested in private dances. Often, that will be her cue to walk away. No
big loss, I talk enough already. If she elects to stay and chat, that's OK
with me. I won't feel like an ass later when she finally gets around to
asking me. Sometimes they will stay and chat hoping to change your mind
about the dance. The only downside to this is it keeps the other dancers
away while you are sitting with her. So little time, so many laps.
What's the polite way of asking how much dances are?
If I'm really interested in getting one, I just
come right out and ask. You're not asking for her weight, it's just
business.
How much are lap dances?
Lap and private dance prices vary depending on
the club and dancer. Some clubs charge as little as £10, while others go up
to £20 or more per song. An important thing to note is that some clubs
allow the dancers to set the price. This is important to the customer since
you may have danced with one dancer who charges only £10 while another
dancer may charge more at the same club.
This practice is rare in London strip clubs.
Personally, if the dancer does not tell me in advance that she is charging
more than the "club rate", I will assume that it is the normal
rate. However, this is not good practice unless you are familiar with the
dancer. If a dancer dances first, then tells you that her dances are more
than the club price, you could complain to the management. However, I don't
know if one would get favourable results from this. Generally speaking, the
management tends to side with their workers on many issues and it's usually
a lost cause.
A good rule of thumb is to double-check the
dance prices with the dancer before starting the dances. Moreover, many
dancers will try to "cheat" on the count so I will ask her to
count the number of dances as we go along. Many will forget after a few
dances and I will have to count for the dancer, out loud.
Strip clubs have come a long way compared to
where they were but they are still not anywhere close being like normal
businesses when it comes to customer service and satisfaction. Such tactics
will continue to cause the industry to have a bad name in the eyes of the general
public.
Can I get a discount for more than one song?
Does your personal hourly rate reduce if you
work longer? No, then why would the
dancer’s reduce.
How do I find a good lap dancer?
Some general rules to follow before
getting laps are:
- NEVER get a blind
lap. This means, you should never get a lap from a dancer without
seeing her do a lap for another customer. At the minimum, watch her
dance on stage and see if she knows how to be sexy. But sexy dances on
stage do not always equal nasty dances.
- Don't believe any
fantastic stories the dancer tells you before the dance. "My lap
dances are the nastiest in the WORLD!" Sure and I'm going to give
you my credit card.
- Try to establish some
type of connection with the dancer before getting your laps. This can
be done by talking to her briefly after her set on stage and a little
before your lap. If the club allows for you to "buy drinks for
the lady", buy one and talk to her. By getting her to get to know
you a bit, she will feel a little more comfortable about cheating for
you during your laps.
- If you get to talk
to the dancer, ask the dancer where she has worked before. If this is
her first dancing job and she just started, forget any laps from her.
It takes a while to learn how to do good laps. If she tells you she
worked at a club which you know has nasty laps, ask her why she quit.
If she says because they were too nasty, you may be in trouble.
Otherwise, if she liked the other club, you are OK.
When you are observing the dancer doing laps
for another customer, keep your eyes open for some of the following types
of action that would indicate a nasty lapper:
·
The dancer faces
away from the customer and puts her hand or hands behind her back for a few
seconds or her hands have this type of motion when she turns around.
·
When the dancer is
facing the customer and grinding, her hand is on her top and you see the
customers head move or her arms move slightly.
·
When the dancer is
standing on the couch (only some clubs allow this), watch to see if the
customer's head moves forward or back when the dancer bends over.
·
The dancer spends a
lot of time on her knees facing the customer between his legs.
·
The dancer is on
her hands and knees 90 degrees turned relative to the customer and her body
is very low to the couch.
·
The dancer changes
her position quickly when the floater or bouncer walks by.
·
The customer has a
big stupid grin on his face for the whole song.
Who can I ask about high mileage lappers?
You might try asking the bar staff, after you
have offered them a drink for themselves. I've noticed that this works less
and less as the clubs seem to become more like a factory. In the good old
days, the bar staff would be friends with the best money makers but not any
more. You can forget about asking the security or DJs unless you have
gotten to know them. They don't know if you are vice so they aren't going
to tell you crap. The best way is to get to know the people at your
favourite club and the "word" will come to you.
What should I wear for lap dances?
Regardless of the type of dances you will be
getting (laps or table), I suggest you wear trousers or chinos. Do NOT wear
Levi pants because this type of material is too rough for the dancers to
rub against.
There are a few clubs that do not let you wear
shorts or jeans.
Am I allowed to c*m during a lap dance?
This is generally not acceptable
behaviour. If you have a pre-mature
c*m problem, I would let the dancer know because she would not be expecting
it.
Personally, I think you should go to the
bathroom and put a condom on before starting the lap dance. If the dancer is aware they are more
likely to be understanding with you.
However, some dancers might get mad and walk
away just for asking. If this
happens think how mad she would have been if you allowed it to happen when
she was not expecting it.
For people who find condoms uncomfortable, you
might try some kind of liner.
Can a dancer have an orgasm during a lap dance?
Depending on the type of lap dances that are
available and the dancer you are with, it is possible. I've talked to
several dancers who have said that they have had this experience. One
dancer told me that it is even possible (on rare instances) for her to
orgasm on stage during her set if she is in the right mood (and probably
the right drugs).
Having said that, it is more likely than not,
that the dancer is faking it.
How do I pick the dancer I want and discourage others?
Discouraging others can simply done by looking
uninterested when they walk by. Some will come over anyway so you simply
have to say "No thank you" in a nice way. Unfortunately, the
other dancers will see that you are saying "No" to dancers. This
will make the other dancers keep away from you. That's good, you say?
That's good except for that one or 2 that you DO want to get a dance from.
They won't ask you either.
The question that is being alluded to is:
What's a good way to let a dancer know that you are interested?
Answer:
If she is not busy, just looking at her and smiling will get their
attention most of the time. If you can get her to look at you, just wave
her over. If not, just walk right up to her and say hello. Unlike the
"real world", it's easy to get dancers to come over to talk to
you, that's their job. Just don't look unapproachable. Look happy, open and
ready to talk.
If the dancer is with a customer, it's a little
trickier. It's rude to interrupt a dancer talking to a customer. Some of
the more popular ones will go from regular customer straight to regular
customer (not to mention others that run after them) and you will not get a
chance to talk to them. Obviously, if they walk near you, you can wave them
down.
If they never get close to where you are, the
only 2 other options are: Wait until they start their pre stage collection,
tip big and when they pickup their tips from you, ask them to come over for
a private dance afterwards. Notice that you must stress that you will ask
them for a private dance. If you simply say "I'd like to talk to
you", they might think you are going to just BS and not come over.
The second way is to tip bar staff to tell the
dancer to come to you. This is your last resort. Sometimes, this will not
work because the dancer feels like you should do your own dirty work. The
important feature of this method is to tip the bar staff big. If the bar
staff think you're cheap, they will tell the dancer that message.
On this subject of interacting with dancers,
talking to a dancer that you are not interested in getting dances from is
not always bad. As long as you tell her that you are not going to get a
dance, it's up to her if she wants to talk to you. Some dancers are bored
and will chat. Why is this good? Because the other dancers see that you are
"OK" and will come over later.
If you become a "regular" and dancers
get to know you, it will become increasingly easier for you to get dances
from the ones that you want. They will recognize you from another trip,
some will remember that you got dances from them or others and come over
hoping to get dances from you.
How do you say "No" to a dancer asking for laps?
I've been in the exact same situation many
times. I've tried different tactics with different results. I've told the
dancer that I don't get lap dances. Later, I ended up getting a dance from
another dancer. This turned out to be a really bad technique because the
first dancer came back to me and called me a liar.
In the few times when the dancer was not only
being a pest but had an attitude to go along with it, I bluntly told her
she was not attractive to me. The problem with this is that she might go to
the dressing room and give you a bad rep before you talk to any other
dancer.
I've also tried the less blunt but more
aggressive "no" with some sugar on it, "No thanks. I
appreciate you asking but I really don't want a dance." with extra
emphasis on the "really". This usually works but I've had dancers
come back and joke around with, "Are you *really* sure?"
If the same girl keeps coming back, sometimes I
even chuckle a little and smile. Sometimes, that will give her the clue
that I think it's getting ridiculous. Some dancers NEVER get the hint or
they just forget who they asked and keep asking like a robot.
The bottom line here is: there's no sure fire
way without being mean or blunt. Personally, I just keep saying
"no" with a smile (like you) hoping she gets the message.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
How can I find a dancer I used to know?
Not easily. Dancers move often and even change
their stage names when they go to new clubs. Many change their hair color,
gain or lose weight, or get bigger tops. Even if you have her real name,
you will have problems finding her because many dancers don't tell other
dancers their real names. Many clubs have policies of not telling customers
where a dancer went to because of stalkers.
If the dancer you know has a very distinctive
look, birthmark or tattoo, you might ask dancers if they know a dancer with
that description. Otherwise, you are probably out of luck. Even then, they
might think you are vice or a stalker unless you know them.
Why do dancers use stage names?
For various reasons. Some don't want anybody to
know their real name because their families don't know they dance. Others
want a distinctive name so that customers will remember them and ask for
them. Many simply don't want every Joe to know their name and call it out
at the mall.
Do dancers "cheat"?
Yes, most. More greenery = better scenery. I
was at a stage dancing only pub in London a while back and noticed that it
was very slow. We were the only customers in the place. We sat on the side
of the stage opposite the bar and started tipping big. It only took a few
seconds before the dancer started to cheat big time. Before long, we were
getting a nude dance with extras!
Out of 10 dancers, how many are sluts?
By "slut", I assume you are using the
definition of "promiscuous" as opposed to "prostitute".
To answer your question, I would say 1 or 2 are super promiscuous (meaning
that they will do almost anybody), 5 are very sexually active, (but will
not do customers), 2 are basically normal (sexually active with SO) and 1
is sexually dysfunctional. Younger dancers (16-22) tend to be more
promiscuous and less so as they get older. That's just an educated guess
and is not based on a scientific survey.
Can I get a STD from lap dancing?
 Believe it or not, I get asked this a lot. Remember
that I am not a doctor. Just a wannabe gynaecologist. The quick answer is:
depends.
If you are getting a normal or low mileage lap
dance, your odds of catching something are basically zero. However, if you
are French kissing the dancer, licking her private parts, letting her lick
your gameboy, or some form of actual sex, then the odds will increase
dramatically.
If you are specifically worried about AIDS, you
are less likely to catch it unless you or she has a cut or an open sore.
Does this mean you can't catch AIDS this way? No. The odds of winning the
Lotto is low too but people still play. They play because there is that
small chance.
The thing to remember is this. If the dancer is
doing these things with you, the odds are, she is doing them with other
customers. That increases the chances of her having some type of STD that
she may pass on to you.
Have fun, but play safe.
Do dancers go out with customers?
Some do but this is the exception and not the
rule. Some clubs have more relaxed rules about dating customers. Some clubs
will fire any dancer that is caught dating a customer. Generally speaking,
there isn't much a club can do about what a dancer does on her free time.
But keep in mind that talking about going out with a dancer at the club
could get her in trouble.
The question to ask is, "Why do you want
to go out with a dancer?" IMO, going out with dancers is overrated.
Dancers are people, just like you and me. They have their problems like
anybody. There's really no reason to go out with dancers except for the
following benefits:
- Don't have to
stand in line outside dance clubs.
- Cause accidents on
the roads by having them moon other drivers.
- Never have to buy
CDs. Just borrow theirs.
- Get free food by
betting your friends that she will flash the waiter.
What kind of guys are dancers looking for?
I often get similar questions like, "Can I
ask a dancer for her phone number?" Of course, the answer is yes.
Nothing stopping you from asking. But think about how many others are doing
the same thing. Most dancers are pretty tired of that stuff. Most dancers who give out their phone
number will give you the number of the stripper phone that all her regulars
use, not her personal numbers.
Are the dancers looking for a guy with money,
security, looks, or power?
Depends on the dancer but all of the above
doesn't hurt. Many have boyfriends, others are married, others are single
mothers, and others are just single. As in other occupations, the good
lookers usually have a waiting list and they are picky. The ones who are
not with somebody are either scammers, hustlers or a little too screwed up
in the head to maintain a relationship. Those are generalizations and there
are many exceptions. If you just want sex, that's a lot easier to get. If
you want a relationship, you'd better ask yourself if that's what you
really want. Then, ask again. Then ask why.
Are some dancers prostitutes?
Are some waitresses prostitutes? Probably.
There are definitely some low percentage of dancers who are also
prostitutes. And in the same way that you could go to the mall and find a
prostitute if you look hard enough, you will probably find one at a strip
club as well. This does not change the fact that the strip club is for the
enjoyment of watching dancers strip and not picking up prostitutes.
Having said that, if that's what you are into,
I'm sure your hit rate would be higher than at a fast food restaurant. The
reason is because there are a high number of attractive women there that
are used to dealing with male customers and money. In the same way that the
hit rate for models and actresses are also pretty good comparatively.
One word of caution. Dancers who prostitute on
the side are usually more expensive than normal prostitutes and are also
looking for Sugar Daddies. If you are not ready for this type of monetary
action, be careful and be ready. Good luck.
I am pretty tired of answering similar
questions, asking how to pick up dancers, how to find out if they are
prostitutes, etc. My short answer to all of these questions: If you have to
ask, you won't understand my answer.
My suggestion for you in this area is to save
time and money. It would be much easier, faster and cheaper to read the
lonely hearts column in the local free papers. But if your heart is set on a prostitute, try the punternet web
site or the punterlink web site.
How can I ask a dancer if she'll do "private" dances?
First off, let me clarify the term
"private". Clubs use it to mean a dance in another room or booth
usually on a one-on-one basis.
Not all venues offer private dances, if unsure
ask the bar staff or the dancer.
How can I get a dancer for a private bachelor party?
For
safety, I would recommend using agencies for a private party,
e.g. stag nights or corporate entertainment. Full Service, Pleasure Parties or City Entertainments should be happy to
advise and arrange an event.
What's the going rate for a private party?
Like anything else, every dancer / agency is
different and prices are negotiable. You can usually get a reduced rate for
multiple hours or if your party will be tipping.
Back
to top
|
